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| kclune | Hello |
| AdamSelene | Hello! |
| shoaib.soomro | are there any internships at topcoder.com |
| saringopalan | I work on the dot net techologies extensively |
| sql_lall | wow..it got busy rather quickly |
| deepakiit | hi whats going on here |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: we have one or two for the summer |
| saringopalan | I love to program anything and everything on C#....lol |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: they are doing grunt work for ivern |
| mess | saringopalan: we have alot of .net work and alot coming up soon |
| sql_lall | saringopalan: have you looked at the C# development projects? |
| mmorris | We are talking about fulltime positions within TCS and answering some questions on component competitions. |
| saringopalan | mess: that |
| norton_gates | what are the requirments for Technical Manager> |
| saringopalan | mess: that's nice to know |
| mess | saringopalan: any feedback is important |
| shoaib.soomro | bwright:thats good to hear, how can i apply |
| mmorris | norton_gates: Ability to speak with customers and translate business requirements to tech requirements |
| bwright | norton_gates: you need to be able to manage a project, gather requirements, work with the customers |
| Talakom | AdamSelene: I've just finished reading the development tutorial written by you .. it is really great |
| AdamSelene | Talakom: I appreciate it! =) |
| saringopalan | mess: how do i participate in doing projects for you? |
| AdamSelene | I wasn't aware that I was credited for it |
| mess | saringopalan: go to the development section |
| norton_gates | anything else? |
| mmorris | norton_gates: ability to be a systems architect (ie. how things fit together) |
| bwright | norton_gates: also data modelling, infrastructure (high level at least) are helpful |
| mess | saringopalan: there are a lot of listings open |
| mmorris | norton_gates: Travel is also a requirement |
| saringopalan | mess: okay, sure I'll check that out |
| mmorris | norton_gates: Clients are located throughout the US |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: i'm sure that we'll post anything we are looking for on our website |
| norton_gates | mmorris: could not that done offshore? |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: make sure you opt in to receive emails |
| mess | saringopalan: if you have any questions feel free to post them on the forums |
| mmorris | norton_gates: it requires direct interaction with clients |
| shoaib.soomro | bwright: ok |
| dmks | mmorris: So if I want to be a fulltime member on TCS, which skills should I have? |
| mmorris | norton_gates: the technical part can be done off shore |
| bwright | norton_gates: we've found that having PMs on site makes the project run much, much better |
| AdamSelene | Product (Technical) Managers are the first line of contact with the clients, so they're generally on site with the client... which are again, generally in the USA |
| saringopalan | mess: sure |
| kclune | anyone interested in hearing a little more about TCS can email me at kclune@topcoder.com |
| mmorris | dmks: we have two fulltime positions available: Technical Manager and Component Architect |
| norton_gates | mmorris: i see, so beside these requirments, what else? |
| mmorris | dmks: the technical manager will work with clients of TopCoder Software to specify and design solutions |
| wilq | omg so many admins :D |
| mmorris | dmks: the architect will work with technical managers to break down applications into the software components that will make them up and manage the component competitions on our website |
| felix_halim | mmorris: what are the examples of TopCoder Software? |
| mess | dmks: we also have assembly positions open too which is developing apps and combining apps |
| shoaib.soomro | bwright: do u think doing SCWCD and SCEA will be plus point in getting job; |
| mess | dmks: combining components together |
| mmorris | norton_gates: Those are the main requirements, for more information you would need to check out our software development methodology |
| AdamSelene | felix_halim: Our components are available at software.topcoder.com |
| dmks | mmorris: Yeah, can I work in China, like wishingbone? :-) |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: dont know them |
| itsp | Hello everyone |
| AdamSelene | Welcome, itsp! |
| mmorris | felix_halim: The examples of our customers include: Pfizer, Wyeth, ABB, Praxair, PMUSA, ING, Gentiva Health Services, Avaya, ESPN...etc, etc. |
| itsp | This is the first time I on Topcoder |
| mmorris | dmks: if you are qualified to work as an application assembler than that is an option. |
| itsp | I want to know more information about you |
| mmorris | dmks: have you competed in components? |
| sql_lall | mmorris: is there any way for component winners to know which clients used their components? |
| norton_gates | mmorris: so from where could i get your software development methodology? |
| mess | sql_lall: it depends on the client |
| AdamSelene | itsp: Well, we'll be happy to answer any questions you have! This chat room is focusing on TopCoder Software, which develops component and application software. |
| mess | sql_lall: some like to remain anonymous |
| dmks | mmorris: Yes, I am one finalist of TCO design competion |
| itsp | AdamSelene: Yes |
| sql_lall | norton_gates: http://software.topcoder.com/components/methodology.jsp |
| mmorris | felix_halim: an example of the systems include anything from building handheld phone software to Security Applications, to eCommerce websites, to financial trading and banking systems |
| itsp | AdamSelene: I'm from Vietnam |
| mmorris | dmks: are you coming onsite? |
| dmks | mmorris: yes |
| itsp | AdamSelene: what are you doing in Topcoder? |
| bwright | norton_gates: http://software.topcoder.com/applications/methodology.jsp |
| mmorris | norton_gates: high level overview is on http://software.topcoder.com under applications |
| AdamSelene | itsp: I am an Architect, I work with Technical Managers and clients to design large scale custom applications |
| itsp | AdamSelene: well |
| mmorris | dmks: then we can talk about it then, we need more people like WishingBone!!! |
| AdamSelene | itsp: I take requirements from the client and figure out existing and new components to meet the requirements, as well as their integration within the client's environment and specs |
| itsp | AdamSelene: I'm very interested in your area |
| sql_lall | mmorris: does from Australia count too? |
| shoaib.soomro | AdamSelene: do still do coding |
| AdamSelene | shoaib.soomro: Not very much |
| shoaib.soomro | AdamSelene: soory.. |
| itsp | AdamSelene: My friend, are your company using outsourcing? |
| shoaib.soomro | AdamSelene: imeant u still do coding |
| AdamSelene | itsp: TCS uses members from around the globe to design and develop components |
| dmks | mmorris: Yes, see you in CA :) |
| mmorris | sql_lall: not typically, most cliens like anonimity because of competitiors seeing what they are up to....most of the time it is not relevant but most people think what they are building is a huge secret. |
| itsp | AdamSelene: yes |
| AdamSelene | shoaib.soomro: I do code in my spare time, but as an Architect it is limited to proof of concept type prototypes, if even that. |
| itsp | AdamSelene: Well |
| mmorris | dmks: perfect, track me down when you get there....or if you want to talk before that about it you can email me at mmorris@topcoder.com |
| itsp | AdamSelene: I will introduce my friends in Vn |
| dmks | mmorris: ok, thanks |
| sql_lall | mmorris: ok..doesn't matter too much, just thought it'd be cool to say: "hey, ESPN uses code i designed" |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: tech mgrs & archs dont get to code much, it at all, at most messing around with SQL or front end code |
| itsp | AdamSelene: They will participated in your area |
| AdamSelene | itsp: great! once registered with TopCoder, you and they can register for component projects at this URL: http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=ViewActiveContests&ph=112 |
| itsp | AdamSelene: Yes |
| shoaib.soomro | AdamSelene: i heard one arch said; the less u code the more its good for u |
| AdamSelene | shoaib.soomro: Depends on your outlook, I suppose =) |
| itsp | AdamSelene: I will visit the site you send me |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: we try and do everything through the members |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: that requires coding |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: 80% of our apps (aprox) come from components |
| mmorris | sql_lall: I agree, I would rather keep it public (its the tc way) |
| itsp | AdamSelene: I see that, your company good in business |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: and app assemblers do the rest |
| itsp | AdamSelene: Thank you my friend |
| shoaib.soomro | AdamSelene: thats good; so how much is the rework done. |
| AdamSelene | itsp: You are very welcome! |
| shoaib.soomro | AdamSelene: i think it is zero. |
| itsp | AdamSelene: I know more about from you |
| AdamSelene | shoaib.soomro: Rework of existing components? |
| shoaib.soomro | admins: yeh |
| itsp | AdamSelene: I hope, I will see you soon |
| sql_lall | how much is TCS separate from the algorithm-running side of things? (i.e. did you have to pay the other half of TC. for this sponsorship?) |
| AdamSelene | shoaib.soomro: Generally bugfixing and/or upgrades of existing components will go through the process again (design and development review) |
| AdamSelene | shoaib.soomro: it depends on the scope of the bugs |
| AdamSelene | shoaib.soomro: or the degree of refactoring/upgrade |
| shoaib.soomro | admins: do the open source frameworks help u. |
| AdamSelene | shoaib.soomro: We consider open source software based on licensing and so forth, I can't speak for everyone but I keep an eye on emerging and popular technology in that sphere |
| bwright | sql_lall: fairly independant, but most designers and developers for components also do (or did) algorithms and clients might use both as well |
| shoaib.soomro | admins: like struts, hibernate |
| AdamSelene | shoaib.soomro: It depends on the client |
| AdamSelene | shoaib.soomro: I know a few clients use struts and tomcat |
| AdamSelene | shoaib.soomro: many use JBoss and similar app servers for Java |
| mmorris | sql_lall: We are one company though, so no we do not have to pay for the sponorship. |
| karol1 | I have one question about design & development competition. I can't understand what's the difference in job between designer and developer. |
| karol1 | I know C/C++ & Java, and prefer to have more coding than writing documentations - so should I interest in design or development competition ? |
| TAG | bwright: How do you manage updates / improvements to systems already developed ? |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: we dont like to include them in componnets but at the app level we do use those frameworks |
| cptnInsaneno | Good morning |
| AdamSelene | karoll: sounds like you'd be interested in development |
| AdamSelene | karoll: Designers do no coding at all |
| gt494 | to all of the TCS admins in the room, why work for TCS? |
| cptnInsaneno | ad |
| cptnInsaneno | AdamSelene: what is the usual qualifications to be a designer? |
| AdamSelene | karoll: They are responsible for developing the component design and documentation: use cases, sequence diagrams, class diagrams, and a specification for the component as a whole |
| AdamSelene | karoll: Developers implement the design |
| shoaib.soomro | admins: I wonder what is left for arch when there are such a customizable frameworks available. |
| AdamSelene | cptnInsaneno: Be a TopCoder member, apply =) |
| karol1 | AdamSelene: ok, thanks |
| bwright | TAG: most of what we do is usually vertica or horizontal extensions to existing systems, but we have a done a few greenfields as well |
| Lefty | so this requires knowledge of UML, correct? |
| AdamSelene | cptnInsaneno: To be successful, you will need a good understanding of UML and design patterns, and experience with the language (Java or C#) |
| mess | karol1: you are probably more interested in dev |
| shoaib.soomro | admins: :) |
| cptnInsaneno | so if u just started out, better be a developer |
| mmorris | Lefty: yes |
| AdamSelene | cptnInsaneno: Definitely, you will learn a lot from implementing the good designs from our designers |
| mmorris | Lefty: But you can learn by competing, one of the benefits is that you get graded and scored by the best designers and developers |
| bwright | gt494: 1. what we do is different than the rest of the industry and in my opinion a lot cooler and better |
| mess | sql_lall: yeah that would be great |
| AdamSelene | cptnInsaneno: From there, you will gather your own experience, and find ways to improve the designs, and eventually you'll be ready to write your own =) |
| sql_lall | AdamSelene: well..a good understanding, *or* the ability to learn new things quickly |
| bwright | gt494: 2. we get to work with the member base |
| Lefty | i see |
| AdamSelene | sql_lall: indeed =) |
| cptnInsaneno | AdamSelene: I work in a small IT company as a developer/programmer |
| bwright | gt494: 3. its fun delivering highly important applications |
| gt494 | bwright: define better for the folks in the room ;) |
| cptnInsaneno | AdamSelene: wish i could do just one thing at a time sometimes |
| wilq | can i make components and get normal cash if im living outside U.S. ? |
| bwright | gt494: we actually do CBD and get large scale reuse on applications |
| AdamSelene | cptnInsaneno: Development projects are very highly focused, and the component scope is typically limited. So that might be right up your alley =) |
| Lefty | you guys are in GLastonbury, I work for a small company in New Britain |
| mess | Lefty: not too far at all |
| karol1 | mess: so , as a developer I'll receive all docs, class names which I have to use etc. and have to write code? |
| Lefty | i had some friends that lived on your street |
| mess | karol1: yes that is it |
| bwright | wilq: yes |
| Lefty | pretty weird |
| saringopalan | mmorris: Where do I get to see the stuff to be made in dot net? Plz gimme the link |
| mmorris | TopCoder Software puts the power of the member base to use through the Component Competitions and building large scale enterprise applications with those components. |
| AdamSelene | saringopalan: All available projects (including .NET) are at this link: http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=ViewActiveContests&ph=112 |
| mmorris | saringopalan: http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=ViewActiveContests&ph=112 has current projects available |
| cptnInsaneno | AdamSelene: whichever it is, as long as it's professional project development i'm all for it |
| wilq | bwright: there isnt any problem? do i have to make account in U.S. or something ? i heard that is a problem when u are out of U.S. (mabe it was a lie) |
| gt494 | bwright: do you have any stats on the reuse metrics? |
| saringopalan | AdamSelene: thanks |
| mess | I think one of the coolest parts of working with topcoder is working with the best and brightest people through out the world to build large scale applications with an exciting new methodology |
| hubPL | do I need to know anyspecific external libraries/technologies (like JSF which seems to be used quite frequently) or can I start just having some basic knowledge of java api?? |
| saringopalan | mmorris: thank you |
| mmorris | saringopalan: and here is a list of components in our catalog |
| TAG | mess: How about assigning prize for 3rd and 4th place in TCS too ? |
| mmorris | saringopalan: http://software.topcoder.com/catalog/c_showroom.jsp |
| bwright | wilq: we have members on all continents right now |
| cptnInsaneno | how do people code for Java GUI these days? |
| AdamSelene | hubPL: It varies from project to project |
| sql_lall | hubPL: it depends on what projects you choose...usually some require only java |
| mess | Every TCS employee has a direct effect on the how the methodology evolves |
| bwright | gt494: 50% of apps come from generic components |
| hubPL | sql_lall: thanks, this sounds fine for a starter |
| mess | TAG: we tried that before but it did not help participation |
| fabioroger | roughly how many developers and how many designers TCS has under it staff? |
| TAG | mess: how about a mix now ? Make it for some of components .. |
| bwright | gt494: 20-40% come from custom components (that may be reused at the client for other projects) |
| sql_lall | hubPL: each projects name, when you click on it, should take you to a site which includes a description, as well as required technologies |
| AdamSelene | fabioroger: Developers and designers come from our member base, which is over 60,000 strong I believe |
| sql_lall | bwright: is there a reason you direct everything to gt494? |
| mmorris | fabioroger: the builk of our work is done by members in design and dev competitions |
| TAG | AdamSelene: 60000 ? Or 3000 ? |
| bwright | sql_lall: he asked |
| fabioroger | AdamSelene: thanks |
| sql_lall | bwright: ah, ok...i saw it happened above too, sorry |
| AdamSelene | TAG: all members are eligible, I believe, active developers or designers might be a much smaller subset |
| mmorris | fabioroger: we do have some fulltime members that do assembly of applications for us, but that is around 12 people since most of the work is done through competitions |
| fabioroger | mmorris: ok, but then you for example is a regular employee or a member who participates writting components? |
| mess | ivan_metelsky: congradulations on earning your target |
| fabioroger | mmorris: hmm ok, thanks |
| mmorris | fabioroger: I am an employee |
| gt494 | Is there travel invlolved working for TCS as a PM or Architect? |
| TAG | mmorris: How it's possible to sign up as assembler for TCS ? |
| mmorris | fabioroger: I am looking to hire people for some positions |
| AdamSelene | fabioroger: All of the oranges are employees, but many of us started as members |
| ivan_metelsky | mess: thank you |
| mess | fabioroger: all component design and dev are by members |
| mess | ivan_metelsky: it is very impressive |
| mmorris | TAG: typically we ask you, but you can email service |
| gt494 | And how much travel? |
| AdamSelene | gt494: Indeed there is, it varies from client to client |
| TAG | mmorris: What are requerements ? |
| mess | gt494: a PM travels 70% of the time |
| AdamSelene | gt494: PMs might expect to travel 4 days a week, Architects less, but it is highly dependant on client requirements |
| mess | gt494: architect is 50% travel |
| fabioroger | admins: thanks |
| hubPL | the development projcts require ANT or some other build-sctipts - are these generated automaticly by some utilities. Or more generally: is it a real obstacle for someone knowing java? (I dont mean that they're written in java:)) |
| bwright | TAG: most importantly be consistent and successful in devlopment competitions |
| gt494 | mess: care to describe the TCS methodology and why it works? |
| hubPL | it was a question... |
| AdamSelene | hubPL: Ant scripts are typically included and require minor alterations |
| mess | hubPL: the ant scripts are provided to you |
| AdamSelene | hubPL: there are tutorials to help with that |
| AdamSelene | hubPL: see this page: http://www.topcoder.com/wiki/display/tc/Getting+Started+in+Component+Design+Competitions |
| hubPL | thanks:) |
| AdamSelene | Welcome! |
| gnosio | man ..i love ur arena applet.. |
| bwright | gt494: did you check out this page: |
| mess | gt494: The tcs methodology is trying to convert software development to more of an engineering practice |
| gt494 | mmorris: How quickly has TCS grown over the past ... let's say year or two? |
| bwright | gt494: http://software.topcoder.com/applications/methodology.jsp |
| mmorris | gt494: TCS has grown by 500% this year |
| gt494 | bwright: thanks |
| mmorris | gt494: we have added a bunch of new clients |
| gt494 | mmorris: going forward? |
| TAG | mmorris: Did you manage to make TCS profitable ? |
| kclune | does TCS sponsor visas? |
| mmorris | gt494: projected to grow between 100 - 200 percent per year for the next 3+ years |
| mmorris | kclune: we have not in the past |
| mess | kclune: currently we do not, but we do have app assembler positions open to people who distinguish themselves in software competitions |
| datawrangler | where are TCS employees physically? |
| AdamSelene | datawrangler: All over the place =) Headquarters are in Connecticut, USA |
| TAG | datawrangler: Earth ;-) |
| mmorris | kclune: aside from large scale enterprise systems we are building things in the RFID space and Wireless technologies like J2ME |
| AdamSelene | datawrangler: Technical Managers are typically onsite at clients (all over the USA) |
| mess | datawrangler: all over the country, mostly east coast |
| AdamSelene | datawrangler: Architects as well. |
| datawrangler | TAG: Works for me. :) |
| gt494 | mess: what are you looking for when it comes to hiring? |
| mmorris | side from large scale enterprise systems we are building things in the RFID space and Wireless technologies like J2ME |
| kameleidonsoft | does your TCS methodology related to RUP ? |
| BEHiker57W | **BEHiker57Wss Cute, too. |
| shoaib.soomro | mmorris: what is RFID |
| mmorris | kameleidonsoft: partly, because a lot of the deliverables are similar |
| sql_lall | BEHiker57W: did you type /mess? |
| mmorris | shoaib.soomro: Radio Frequence |
| bwright | kameleidonsoft: i'd say we accomplish the same goals, we are different though |
| mess | datawrangler: we do not require people to relocate for the most part |
| TAG | **TAGss |
| sql_lall | shoaib.soomro: kinda like barcodes, but really small and can store more data |
| shoaib.soomro | mmorris: how J2EE supports these tech.. by J2ME |
| mmorris | kameleidonsoft: our specification process is somewhat like RUP but our overall process is much more agile |
| bwright | datawrangler: just need to be near an airport |
| mess | gt494: for the PM position we are looking for people who like to solve business problems and can try to identify requirements when the business experts may not know them themselves |
| mmorris | kameleidonsoft: the component competition is the core to our dev methodology |
| datawrangler | mess: that's cool -- I'm in the greater Chicago area, so airports we have |
| mess | gt494: the architect position is someone who can view the entire system as a whole and can break that system into smaller functional areas and is more technical |
| gt494 | mess: then why look for someone technical? |
| mess | datawrangler: we have some clients in chicago as well |
| gt494 | for the PM I mean |
| mmorris | shoaib.soomro: J2ME is for things written on small devices like phones and PDAs |
| datawrangler | mess: i quessed you would |
| mmorris | shoaib.soomro: RFID is like the latest barcoding strategy....it can be used for a ton of stuff |
| saringopalan | mmorris: thanks for the links |
| bwright | gt494: the spec phase requires the PM to have a firm understanding of things like system arch, data modelling, UML for use case and activity |
| mess | gt494: it is very important to be able to know what business requirements are technically feasible. the pm also works on over all architecture design and evaluating current systems at the client |
| kameleidonsoft | bwright: well, for me RUP is more like a framework that you may use to build your own methodology depending on own environment... but your idea of competing is really new to me :) |
| bwright | gt494: additionally they are trying to align business and technical needs |
| mess | kameleidonsoft: if you want to think of RUP as 10 on the documentation scale and XP as 1 TCS is about 6.894 |
| sql_lall | mess: 'about' :p |
| mess | datawrangler: are you currently looking for a new job? |
| kameleidonsoft | mess: that's pretty accurate ;) |
| hubPL | is J2EE knowledge necesary for development?? |
| mess | hubPL: for most projects no |
| mess | sql_lall: :-) |
| bwright | kameleidonsoft: i view us as having a bunch of layers |
| shoaib.soomro | admins: ok i will look into it, if possible tell me what kind of development is done through J2EE in RFID |
| datawrangler | mess: yes. |
| bwright | kameleidonsoft: the top level is app process and its built on component process |
| gt494 | tc: I believe you are most recent TCS hire from the member base in the room, why did you take the TCS job? |
| bwright | kameleidonsoft: the component process is built on competition |
| kclune | datawrangler: I can help you with that. |
| karol1 | mess: and could I ask you one more question? near by projects sometimes is "java" sometimes "custom java"..what's the difference? |
| gt494 | mmorris: what past of the current process needs the most improvement? |
| AdamSelene | Custom means that it won't be added to the general catalog for reuse |
| tc | /gt494: To be able to work with the extermely talented members in the community. |
| mess | karol1: custom we don't pay royalties for |
| mess | karol1: also sometimes the forum is private for only participants int he competition |
| bwright | gt494: we are looking into automating parts of the process next |
| mmorris | gt494: We need to contiue to improve our component architecture to get the max reuse from the components in our catalog |
| kameleidonsoft | bwright: yea, I see. Once you've succedeed decoupling app/component dev, you're really in good track for doing tremendous things... |
| tc | gt494: 2. Applying the rather new and exciting methodology. |
| mmorris | gt494: I also think we can always improve on everything else |
| sql_lall | bwright: when can we expect to see Java 5 features come into components? |
| gt494 | mmorris: spoken like a true boss :) |
| shoaib.soomro | admins: what software engineering process ui follow. |
| mess | datawrangler: one thing we do require is competing at least once in a software competition |
| mmorris | gt494: We need some really talented designers to join the TCS team |
| mess | shoaib.soomro: we have our own methodology |
| gt494 | tc: do you find it challenging? |
| tc | gt494: oh, yeah. |
| gt494 | tc: like what? |
| mmorris | gt494: in case I forgot to mention this...I think component competitions rock! |
| mess | sql_lall: 1.5 will come when clients want them we are starting to remove 1.3 requirements |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: its done during spec to develop a fully functional prototype that we use to validate with clients our reqs |
| shoaib.soomro | admins: ok. |
| gt494 | mmorris: heh |
| tc | gt494: I'm about to start my first project, that really requires a deep understanding of the various technologies on the Microsoft platform. |
| bwright | gt494: mmorris is more of a sales guy than a boss :) |
| tc | gt494: Like how different pieces can fit together. |
| tc | gt494: The other exciting part is after working on the components, I now see th bigger picture of where those components get used. |
| datawrangler | mess: today will be my 52nd. :) |
| kclune | tc: What is your development background? |
| mess | datawrangler: sorry i was referring to design or dev competitions |
| bwright | datawrangler: you need to do a component design com |
| bwright | datawrangler: what mess said |
| shoaib.soomro | admins: alright. do u ppl use any maturity model |
| dmytro | hello, i am not able to listen to this conversation now, but will the log of this conversation be published on topcoder website? |
| tc | gt494: I used to be C/C++, and then got interested in Java and C#. |
| datawrangler | mess: ah - i havent tried those yet |
| karol1 | mess: what about coding style in function body? has it an influence on final score in development competition? |
| gt494 | dmytro: yeah, we will make sure |
| dmytro | gt494: ok, thanks a lot :) |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: like CMM or IEEE? no |
| mess | karol1: yes, let me send you a sample scorecard |
| tc | kclune: I sharpened my C# skills through the alg. competitions. |
| mess | karol1: http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=dev&d2=support&d3=devReviewSample |
| datawrangler | mess: not quite sure how they work |
| hubPL | when I have a component to develop do I have to be aware of the pieces it's going to co-operate with? |
| shoaib.soomro | admins: oh .. these are industry wide implemented |
| mess | datawrangler: there are a few tutorials here and here |
| AdamSelene | hubPL: Everything you need to know will be included in the documentation |
| tc | kclune: And then enriched my .Net knowledge through dev/design competitions. |
| karol1 | mess: many thanks :) |
| AdamSelene | hubPL: If there is anything you think you need that is not there, you can ask for it on the forums |
| mess | hubPL: for dev it is all in the design |
| gt494 | bwright: How do client developers react to TCS onsite? Hostile or friendly? |
| datawrangler | mess: thanks - i'll chk those out |
| bwright | gt494: at my projects its been friendly |
| hubPL | admins: thx |
| paramindia | hello can any one explain the methodologies of project developement |
| gt494 | mess: What expenses are covered when people travel? |
| bwright | hubPL: http://software.topcoder.com/applications/methodology.jsp |
| kranjit | admins: how to get started for these component competitions? |
| bwright | hubPL: thats for apps |
| mess | paramindia: http://software.topcoder.com/applications/methodology.jsp |
| AdamSelene | paramindia: there is indepth discussion at the link bwright just posted |
| AdamSelene | paramindia: and mess =) |
| mess | paramindia: are you looking for application or component methodology? |
| bwright | hubPL: this is for components http://software.topcoder.com/components/methodology.jsp |
| mess | paramindia: this is an overview of the components http://software.topcoder.com/components/methodology.jsp |
| mess | datawrangler: this might help you too http://software.topcoder.com/components/methodology.jsp |
| gt494 | mmorris: How many PM's and CA's currenlty work for TCS? |
| bwright | gt494: ~25 |
| sql_lall | kranjit: I recommend the tutorials (http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tutorials&d2=comp_index) |
| paramindia | i went to that link and opened the PDF file |
| gt494 | bwright: How many more do you need? |
| sql_lall | kranjit: as well as 'getting started': http://www.topcoder.com/wiki/display/tc/Getting+Started+in+Component+Design+Competitions |
| paramindia | that file that contains description |
| datawrangler | mess: thx - ill b in touch |
| paramindia | but i didn/t found any registartion link |
| bwright | gt494: its more about quality than quantity |
| mess | kranjit: there are also forums to ask questions as well for the components or off of the home page as well |
| paramindia | please explain |
| kranjit | sql_lall: thanks a lot!! |
| gt494 | bwright: standard bland answer, thx |
| bwright | gt494: :) |
| AdamSelene | paramindia: The registration link should be at the bottom of the component description page |
| kranjit | sql_lall: i see that the component compttns give away a lot of money :D |
| mess | paramindia: you can only sign up between 9 AM ET Wednesday and 9 AM ET saturday |
| bwright | gt494: i think we need a bunch more architects |
| lironk | the problem with the component and development contest is that they take too long |
| gt494 | What is it like to work with mess? |
| sql_lall | kranjit: yes...a nice incentive |
| bwright | gt494: great! |
| lironk | unlike the srms which are an hour |
| bwright | gt494: mess knows everything... about sports |
| lironk | these really become a problem for working people |
| bwright | lironk: they should take 10-15 hours once you get the hang of things |
| mess | lironk: you can work around your schedule |
| mmorris | gt494: about 25 between PMs and architects |
| sql_lall | lironk: unfortunately, it'd be impossible to fit a component into 2 hrs, so has to be a week |
| shoaib.soomro | bwright: how much time do we have to submit the solution. |
| mmorris | gt494: 2/3 PMs |
| bwright | shoaib.soomro: oone week |
| lironk | sql_lall: naturally |
| ndot | hi |
| hubPL | I know it may vary but what's the expected time to be spent developing a simple component (simple==as_simple_as_possible_here) ?? |
| mmorris | gt494: architects can typically handle more projects at once |
| ndot | What are the opportunities are available |
| lironk | coffee's ready...brb |
| wilq | almost 800 registered to today competition :] |
| mess | hubPL: about 10-15 hours |
| mess | hubPL: is what we shoot for but other members may have ideas |
| ndot | how to apply for this |
| hubPL | mess: thanks, it deosn;t seem too much... |
| alangelov | ?? ?? ?????! :) |
| AdamSelene | ndot: For component competitions or for today's algorithm competition? |
| mmorris | ndot: what are you interested in? Technical Manager or Architect? |
| sql_lall | mess: time to go, thanks for fixing the project - i'll email you at some stage |
| mess | hubPL: if you have any questions there are plenty of people to help in the round tables |
| mess | sql_lall: look forward to it good luck today |
| ndot | architect |
| mmorris | ndot: email dmessinger@topcoder.com |
| ndot | is there any other opportunities like programmer |
| hubPL | mess: I'll certainly go there |
| wilq | 4 min |
| wilq | :D |
| mmorris | ndot: or geldridge@topcoder.com for more info on the position |
| mess | ndot: yes work on some component competitions and there are dev positions available as well |
| kclune | mmorris: or kclune@topcoder.com |
| ndot | okay |
| ndot | t |
| ndot | thank you |
| ndot | is component development or competition |
| shoaib.soomro | it was very nice meeting u admins, u ppl do swallow all sorts of our question. thanks alot. |
| alangelov | where is pops ? |
| wilq | 2 min |
| ingvarrr | Do you invite programmers from countries other than USA? Is it possible to get a position if I'm not a US resident? |
| ndot | Is component competition or development |
| mess | rgrig: hi rgrig how are youdoing |
| mess | ndot: both |
| ndot | okay. |
| AdamSelene | ingvarrr: Assemblers and some other positions do not require relocation, but Managers and Architects must be on-site for the clients, which requires US residency in general, I believe |
| mess | thanks for the chat today guys good luck in the SRM |
| ndot | How to get a job in topcoder |
| ingvarrr | AdamSelene: thanx |
| kclune | ndot: you can email me. kclune@topcoder.com |
| AdamSelene | ndot: It also helps to compete and succeed in our component developemnt and design competitions |
| kclune | AdamSelene: that too. |
| mess | ndot good luck in the algo competition |
| ndot | thank you all |
| mess | norton_gates: good chatting with you good luck today |
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