| Chat transcript from SRM 407 |
| Handle |
Comment |
| kclune | Hello |
| Betfair_Matt | hi |
| Betfair_Aaron | Hey :-) |
| mad_potty_head | Hey |
| mad_potty_head | I wanna ask about remote employment opportunities |
| mad_potty_head | ?? |
| tharis | hiz |
| jmpld40 | Welcome to the Betfair chat. Feel free to ask them any questions you may have. |
| rishabhagarwal | how to become a good programmer??? |
| toshke | who is going to win tonight, russia or spain? |
| Betfair_Aaron | I'm backing Russia ;-) |
| rasto6sk | Hello Betfair. Where in UK do you have offices? |
| skaterdude69 | win for what? |
| mad_potty_head | toshke: spain :) |
| rishabhagarwal | Russia......i think |
| rem | toshke: if you ask about SRM then Russia |
| victorlf | spain |
| Betfair_Matt | ras |
| slex | I'm cheering for Russia too |
| mad_potty_head | toshke: go spain go :D |
| skaterdude69 | Win what? |
| abs_abs | what are the current technologies betfair working on ? |
| ilham | i'd say russia |
| Betfair_Aaron | Our UK office in in Hammersmith London |
| Betfair_Matt | rasto6sk: Our office is in Hammersmith |
| Betfair_Matt | rasto6sk: which is in west London |
| antarya | russia 4:0 |
| gaurav1987pal | spain 2-0 |
| ilham | hello betfair reps. could you give us a small introduction? |
| Enric | spain inf:eps |
| mad_potty_head | Betfair_Aaron: What about opportunities for egyptian developpers ? |
| Betfair_Ollie | abs_abs: we're a Java, C++, .NET house predominantly |
| Betfair_Ollie | abs_abs: although we typically use the right tool for the right job |
| pulkit110 | Do you have any offices in India? |
| skaterdude69 | Where are you guys located primarily, unless you have any offices in other states. |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: I am a developer in the Poker team. |
| Betfair_Ollie | ilham: sure. Betfair is an online betting company. We offer a variety of products, like sports betting, poker, casino style games and so on. |
| el_vitucho | do you have a website? |
| abs_abs | and what could be the possible opportunities for someone form coutry likeIndia ? |
| Betfair_Ollie | el_vitucho: http://www.betfair.com and http://www.betfaircorporate.com/ |
| ilham | Betfair_Ollie: i mean more like what Matt did. thanks also for the short intro to Betfair :D |
| Betfair_Aaron | I am a JuniorJ2EE Developer in Our Stack team which deals with improvements and bug fixes to our site |
| Betfair_Ollie | el_vitucho: ah. ilham: i work in the Performance and Capacity team. I test our software prior to release and manage it post-release. |
| Betfair_Aaron | pulkit110: we don't currently have any offices in India No |
| Betfair_Asher | I manage part of our research and development section, with a strong interest in systems architecture |
| Betfair_Ollie | abs_abs: i have two members of my team who are from India. We have no offices there at the moment though, so they too are based in Hammersmith. |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: do you work on developing a good online poker player? |
| nitdgp | Betfair_Aaron: what are the technologies you require freshers to know? |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: I don't work on that as part of my job :) |
| naresh622 | Hi Betfair reps, do you have any openings for UNIX system programmers |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: Hello !!what are the career opportunities in betfair ? |
| Betfair_Ollie | naresh622: we have an Integration Team which is to do with automation and scripting |
| Betfair_Aaron | nitdgp: Hi Nil_ct Depending on the role you apply for the desired skill sets are different however we are primarily a Java, .Netr and C++ house |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: Although we do have an interest in poker robots. |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: Are you planning to open your office in India ? |
| Betfair_Ollie | naresh622: typical technologies there are PERL, Python, PHP and Tcl |
| ilham | do you place importance acquiring on certain technology, or do you do some trainings for fresh graduates? |
| abs_abs | apart from the good coders.., what else you are looking from topcoder members ? |
| toshke | Betfair_Ollie: Do you create soffisticated algorithms to create quotes for matches or you copy them from other websites :) |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: Do you have an interest in poker? |
| Betfair_Ollie | toshke: our bet matching algorithm it totally written in-house. we offer ""best execution"" which means customers always get the best price available |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: I don't believe there is currently any interest in opening and office in India however we are growing internationally so in the future you never know :-) |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: I wish I had. I've been losing in every single game I played :( |
| naresh622 | Betfair_Ollie: Thank you for the information. |
| Betfair_Ollie | toshke: my pleasure |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: Oh dear! |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: yes true :) |
| Betfair_Asher | Betfair is a betting exchange, so users set prices rather than us; we (generally) take no risk on a bet, so we kinda don't worry what other sites are doing |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: But I'm interested in AI in general. |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: and games of course |
| xhae | oh |
| naresh622 | Betfair_Ollie: Do you use Artificial Intelligence in your products ? |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: ab |
| xhae | ben.hwang: good to see you |
| xhae | ben.hwang: :D |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: Is Betfair is just a betting exchange ? |
| Betfair_Ollie | naresh622: not at the current time. |
| Betfair_Ollie | naresh622: although we do use AI in some of our back-office systems. |
| Betfair_Aaron | abs_abs: Apart from good coders we are also looking for developers with excellent communication and team working skills |
| kclune | For more information about Betfair and to apply to their positions, please feel free to go here: |
| kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco08&d3=sponsorpatrons&d4=betfairConfirm |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: I mean you might have to combine AI as well as software skills together. |
| ilham | i see also that betfair offers some online live streaming on the games where we can bet on |
| zdravko_b | hello |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: I see. What kind of AI related work have you done? |
| Betfair_Asher | the streaming is provided by a third party vendor, but it works rather well |
| Betfair_Ollie | ilham: yes. we pioneered a type of betting called ""inplay"" which means you can bet even when the match is in action. The odds change as events unfold, and therefore you can trade your position in a market, like the stock market for example. |
| naresh622 | Betfair_Ollie: what is the selection criteria. |
| Betfair_Ollie | zdravko_b: hello! |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: I made a general game player last semester. |
| Betfair_Asher | If you have a look on http://labs.betfair.com you can see in Victor the Predictor some of the AI work we've done |
| kclune | Betfair_Asher: Is there a possibility that you would bring that in house in the future? |
| zdravko_b | Betfair_Ollie: hi, I applied to a position in the UK a month ago but still no answer ... |
| zdravko_b | Betfair_Ollie: for a C++ programmer |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: Cool !! then you might be looking for experts and experienced coders at TC ... i think so... is it true ? |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: where as an input we have a game description, then the program needs to play as best as it could within the given preparation time |
| Betfair_Ollie | zdravko_b: i'm sorry to hear that and i apologise. if you can email me at oliver.cook@betfair.com with your full name I can chase that up for you. |
| zdravko_b | Betfair_Ollie: ok, thanks :) |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: i'm concentrating on model checking, nowadays, though |
| Betfair_Asher | kclune: it is possible that we'll insource some aspect of streaming - maybe not matches since the rights are kinda awkward but we also have Betfair Radio (again on Labs) |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: i still keep interest on developing better players |
| kclune | Betfair_Asher: very good. |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: since it's also an area where my current uni is best at. |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: I'd recommend having a look at http://labs.betfair.com |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: We are looking for experienced coders yes :-) |
| kclune | Betfair_Asher: Can you talk about Betfair labs a little bit? |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: There's no poker AI on there - yet |
| ilham | Betfair_Ollie: that sounds interesting |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: but there are a couple of AI related products |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: you mean on betfair? |
| Betfair_Ollie | ilham: it's very popular. :) |
| Betfair_Asher | kclune: Sure - labs is a site that lets us showcase new technology, not just ours but things like Silverlight |
| ilham | Betfair_Ollie: i bet |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: what will i have to do if i have to apply in betfair ? Do i have to submit my resume ... can you tell me the link where i have too :-) |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: yes |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: there is an app called victor the predictor that uses AI |
| Betfair_Asher | kclune: We use both people within the R&D team to build solutions and the ""20%"" time of other developers around IT who contribute new ideas |
| kclune | nehabhatt007: http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco08&d3=sponsorpatrons&d4=betfairConfirm |
| nehabhatt007 | kclune: Thanks :) |
| kclune | nehabhatt007: you're welcome |
| Betfair_Ollie | so had any of you heard of Betfair before we became involved with Topcoder? |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: If you wish to apply there is a link on our sponsors page on the TC site which contains the information you will need http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco08&d3=sponsorpatrons&d4=betfair |
| Betfair_Julian | Hey Aaron, you can apply by sending your CV to recruitment@betfair.com or apply via www.betfair.com |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: like this EuroVictor? |
| ilham | Betfair_Ollie: yup |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: yes, thanks for that :) |
| kclune | Betfair_Asher: you are looking for R & D people as well correct? |
| ilham | Betfair_Ollie: i've been seeing it on several sport sites |
| Betfair_Asher | kclune: Always on the lookout for the right sort of person |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: yes exactly |
| yvs | Hi. Programmers in which countries you are looking for? |
| Betfair_Ollie | ilham: brilliant. have you tried any of our products out? |
| ilham | Betfair_Ollie: no, sorry. |
| Betfair_Ollie | yvs: hi. we have development centres in London, UK and Cluj, Romania predominantly. |
| Betfair_Asher | kclune: We hired a poker/AI person earlier this year; catch with R&D is its very much based in Hammersmith at the moment |
| ilham | Betfair_Ollie: am looking at the Victor now |
| kclune | Betfair_Matt: You obviously came to TopCoder to find the right person, what is the ""right"" person to you? |
| yvs | ok, is there a chance from russian/belorussian citizens to apply? |
| ilham | Betfair_Ollie: i live on a tight budget, so, i rarely bet on things |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: Really, the most interesting site i have come across like win and play at the same place :) |
| Betfair_Ollie | yvs: absolutely. We have some russians at Betfair already :) |
| Betfair_Ollie | ilham: i know the feeling! |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: Glad you like it. We do our best ;-) |
| Betfair_Julian | We are open to applications from people globally. However at the moment our home office is experiencing severe delays in visa applications so you should bear this in mind when applying |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: ohh :) thats true. Do you have Indians in your betfair team ? |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: We do yes. There are 3 people from india in my team :-) |
| Betfair_Ollie | ilham: we have a wide mix of nationalities represented on the betfair staff: British, Indian, Chinese, all flavours of European, to name but a few... :) |
| yvs | Betfair_Ollie: thanks. i'm sorry for the question, i do not know, what is Cluj, can help? |
| kclune | Betfair_Ollie: are there any specific locations you are looking to hire people in? |
| Betfair_Asher | (quite a lot of Australians, New Zealanders and South Africans as well ;) ) |
| Betfair_Ollie | yvs: no problem. Cluj is a city in Romania. |
| ilham | Betfair_Asher: oho, some kiwis? |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: good :) |
| Betfair_Ollie | kclune: we are hiring into Romania and the UK predominantly. |
| Betfair_Asher | ilham: You'd better believe it; rib em about the All Blacks in world cup - lots of fun! |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Asher: India is not present in the list so sad :( |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: Where abouts are you in India? |
| ilham | Betfair_Asher: now, now. i am for NZ all the way. |
| ilham | Betfair_Asher: they win the junior rugby |
| Betfair_Asher | nehabhatt007: We've got lots of Indians here; a few french people as well - its really multicultural |
| ilham | Betfair_Asher: at least |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Asher: i live in eastern side of India mean U.P. and recently completed my B.Tech :) |
| Betfair_Asher | ilham: I love watching them play. Just not against the Wallabies. |
| Betfair_Ollie | from my point of view, one of the best parts of working at betfair is the variety of colleagues. it's a really good mix and makes for great innovation (as well as the socialising!) |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Asher: ohh .. true |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: i live in eastern side of India mean U.P. and recently completed my B.Tech :) |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: sorry i replied to other recruiter ;'( |
| viswanath | Betfair_Aaron: Hello how to apply for your company? |
| Betfair_Asher | nehabhatt007: It is a pity we don't have an indian office - the new professional cricket series would be very exciting to cover, its a pity its illegal to bet on it in India though |
| ilham | Betfair_Asher: they're good, aren't they :) |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: Excellent. No worries :-) The chat's flying think and fast. Easy to mistake ;-) |
| kclune | so, can one or some of the Betfair folks tell us why we should consider working there instead of anywhere else? |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: :) yes true ... |
| abs_abs | woohhaa...., so u people were paying attention to IPL.. |
| Betfair_Asher | ilham: Magic. |
| Betfair_Julian | you can apply at recruitment@betfair.com or via the website www.betfair.com under the jobs section |
| Betfair_Ollie | kclune: sure thing |
| ilham | Betfair_Asher: i'd love them the most when Umaga was still playing. |
| Betfair_Asher | kclune: Well, you can talk about rugby for a start? |
| kclune | meaning, what is it about Betfair that excites you, and why are you working there? |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Asher: Really, Indians are crazy about Cricket ... if you start office in India it shall be a hit :) |
| ilham | kclune: i suppose, being able to talk about any sports enthusiastically |
| kclune | Rugby is cool. Even though we don't get into it too much here in the US |
| ilham | kclune: and still it considered as part of your job |
| ilham | kclune: *is* quite exciting :D |
| Betfair_Ollie | kclune: i am at Betfair because of the pace. We grow our products at ~2x per year. We have to come up with some smart technology to be able to keep up that growth rate! |
| snguyen | Betfair_Ollie: is there any office in Singapore? |
| Betfair_Aaron | kclune: For me betfair's all about the people. You get to work in a relaxed enjoyable environment and the community spirit at betfair is excellent! :-) |
| Betfair_Asher | I joined Betfair because they've got an unusual set of challenges - some things we're writing (and rewriting) that you'd never have the chance to do elsewhere - either because the company is so big or there's not enough money |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: ah, neural network stuff |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: ! |
| Betfair_Ollie | kclune: there is also massive variety in the work I do. One day I can be tuning a SQL database, next day working on distributed caching... it keeps me on my toes. :) |
| mc_tavi | Betfair_Ollie: Hi. What are the differences between London and Cluj offices, regarding the domains covered ? For example R&D department is only in London? |
| mariusdrg | isn't betfair a booking agency? |
| jbnpaul | Is Betfair looking for international candidates |
| kclune | Sounds like it's a great environment, and a cool place to be. |
| Betfair_Ollie | mc_tavi: the Romania office is predominantly development and QA on our Games products (as opposed to our Sports products which are run out of the UK and Malta). |
| zdravko_b | Are there nintendo wii's in the offices :) ? |
| snguyen | is there any opening intership position? |
| Betfair_Asher | mc_tavi: London covers the Sports Exchange, Poker and ""enterprise"" things |
| Betfair_Ollie | zdravko_b: yes. and guitar here. :) |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Julian: Hello |
| zdravko_b | Betfair_Ollie: that's all i want (and need :D ) |
| mariusdrg | What exactly coud a algorithmist or a coder do in a booking office? |
| Betfair_Ollie | jbnpaul: absolutely. :) which country are you from? |
| Betfair_Asher | We've got operations sections as far away as Hobart |
| Betfair_Aaron | mariusdrg: Betfair is an online betting exchange. We take bets on sporting events |
| Betfair_Asher | (tasmania) |
| jbnpaul | Betfair_Ollie: I am from India |
| Betfair_Ollie | jbnpaul: great. we have lots of Indians working with us at Betfair. |
| FameofLight | nehabhatt007: hello |
| mc_tavi | thanks |
| Betfair_Asher | mariusdrg: Can you clarify what you mean by booking officfe? |
| kclune | How many financial transactions per day do you deal with, and how do you keep up with them? |
| jbnpaul | Betfair_Ollie: thats good to hear |
| AshishAwaghad | Betfair_Ollie: where? in US? or in India? |
| quantus1 | i am a US high school graduate about to attend caltech next year. any job opportunities? |
| mariusdrg | No, the first answer clarified the situation |
| nehabhatt007 | FameofLight: Hi |
| Betfair_Julian | No interns at the moment. The programme is currently closed but will reopen in the autumn. Please check www.betfair.com for more details. |
| Betfair_Ollie | kclune: we do about 1600 bets per second on the sports exchange at peak. which is more trades than some stock exchanges do! |
| Betfair_Aaron | mariusdrg: as Betfair is an exchange rather than a traditional sportsbook we match customers together. This functions in a similar way to modern stock exchange systems |
| Betfair_Ollie | AshishAwaghad: in London |
| AshishAwaghad | Betfair_Ollie: oh |
| FameofLight | nehabhatt007: where u from i mean place |
| mariusdrg | very nice ideea |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: this is the first time i know of NN used in betting. i thought it's more for image recog and so on, like one of my lecturers does his research on |
| abhicool | Betfair_Ollie: What technologies Betfair works on ? |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: Whats the role of software folks in a office, who's business runs on betting stuff?.. |
| abhicool | Betfair_Ollie: and what do you expect from TopCoders while recruiting them ? |
| kclune | for those of you interested in applying to Betfair, please go here: |
| FameofLight | nehabhatt007: aur batao kya chal raha hai |
| kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco08&d3=sponsorpatrons&d4=betfairConfirm |
| Betfair_Ollie | abhicool: our products are built on Java, C++, .NET predominantly; is that what you meant? |
| abhicool | Betfair_Ollie: yeah |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: I mean, is there a lot of work to be implemented? and what kinda stuff? |
| Petr | Suppose an international candidate moves to London with her family to work at Betfair. Where would she be able to afford to live (i.e., how long would her commute be if she'd spend a reasonable part of her salary on rent)? |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: There is quite a lot of interest in it, both for sports betting and games. |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: our developers deliver new products that allow customers to bet online. |
| Betfair_Ollie | abhicool: do you mean what is our recruitment process like? |
| Betfair_Asher | Petr: You should be able to afford to live in a nice part of London - quite a few people live near Ealing although some do commute from outside of the metropolitan area |
| AshishAwaghad | Betfair_Ollie: yes, how does your recruitment process go? |
| Betfair_Asher | Petr: transport is quite good (when it works) in London so it would depend on your priorities as far as space goes |
| Betfair_Aaron | Petr: Thanks to the tube most areas in london are easily commutable so a family should be able to find an area that suits their budget |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: we're currently working on rewriting our bet matching engine for scalability. the current prototype has at least 20x more capacity than our current one. that is one example of what we're working on. |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: i've seen some effort to apply NN to play games, like in Go, although i've never seen any that's outright successful |
| Betfair_Ollie | Petr: most staff live within an hour of the office I would say. |
| nehabhatt007 | FameofLight: not interested |
| Petr | Cool, thanks |
| abhicool | Betfair_Aaron: What do you expect in a potential recruit ? You are here for finding good algo guys for recruitment ? |
| FameofLight | nehabhatt007: kyon kya ho gaya |
| Betfair_Asher | ilham: Some stats based approaches work slightly better at the moment for some classes of games (thats from one of our AI guys) |
| Betfair_Ollie | AshishAwaghad: typically there are telephone interviews first, then face to face interviews in London. there are technical tests but also some more theoretical questions and discussions. it also depends what role you apply for. |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: yup, like monte carlo stuff |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: with UCT |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Asher: Shall you be giving pre joining training to candidates whom you recruit ? |
| kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco08&d3=sponsorpatrons&d4=betfairConfirm |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: When u said that, it sounds like its related to algorithm stuff, to implement that engine..not bad ;-) |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: We have a guy working here who enters poker robot World Championships |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: he got 4th place last year |
| Betfair_Asher | nehabhatt007: We don't currently do pre joining training I'm afraid |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: interesting! |
| AshishAwaghad | Betfair_Ollie: ok.. and the selections for telephonic interview will be from here, right? |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: very much so. the data set can get quite big, so the algorithm must be good enough to process it all in quickly. We tend to process bets in ~75ms at the moment. |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: congrats |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: thanks :) |
| Betfair_Ollie | AshishAwaghad: yes, if you apply we will review your CV and contact you about a telephone interview |
| Betfair_Aaron | abhicool: Potential recruits will ideally have good skills in their various areas. A lot of our problems centre around scalability and development of new products rather than raw processing power and algorithm work. |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Asher: ohh :( but since all the AI stuff is involed so i thought there might be some sort of grooming. Anyways its fine :) |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: it can also be applied in fraud detection |
| AshishAwaghad | Betfair_Ollie: hmm.. ok |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: yep..and for those large datasets, are u considering distributed computing models like the Google's mapreduce/Apache Hadoop? |
| Betfair_Asher | Kewl_guy: Algorithms are becoming more important due to our distribution problems - by spreading out through the world we need different ways to handle things. Basic stuff like 2 phase commit starts breaking down |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: like if someone plays using a robot, instead of playing by him/herself? |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: absolutely. i am working on a mapreduce-style tool at the moment |
| guzhilei1986 | hello |
| FameofLight | Betfair_Aaron: are there any internship program available |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: that's exactly what we would like to find in poker |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: that'll be useful for online gaming |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: it also applies to sports betting |
| Betfair_Asher | nehabhatt007: Yeah - sorry, afraid not :) Once we're confident in our research we will be looking at publishing |
| Betfair_Aaron | FameofLight: There are currently no internships available however the scheme is reopening in the autumn |
| woldsom | Do Betfair have any need of Java developers in London, or is it just C++? |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: oh ok..I happened to recently setup mapreduce on 2 systems at home...just outta curiousity..n obvioulsy to learn :-) |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: ohh ... yes ... :) |
| Betfair_Ollie | woldsom: definitely Java in London! |
| Betfair_Asher | Lots of Java in London! |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: yeah - i love distributed systems. |
| ilham | Betfair_Aaron: can you tell us where to look for such internship opportunities when you open one? |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: i took a job that does some end of day performance reports that used to take an hour to run, distributed it across 20 systems and had my answer back in 3 minutes :) |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: gotta love distributed computing! |
| finrod | _Asgaroth_: hej |
| progfool | u search for algorithm skills or deep implementation skills during recruitment?? |
| Betfair_Asher | progfool: Implementation mainly |
| Betfair_Ollie | progfool: problem solving is a key part of the recruitment process as well. |
| progfool | thnk u |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: have you already used itin the current system? |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: the cheating detection, i mean |
| Betfair_Asher | progfool: Most tests will give you the opportunity to actually explain how you arrived at an answer though |
| Betfair_Aaron | ilham: If you check www.betfair.com details of the intern scheme can be found there :-) |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: Are you planning to start betting on few more games ? |
| kclune | for those of you just joining, if you are interested in applying to Betfair career opportunities, please go here: |
| kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco08&d3=sponsorpatrons&d4=betfairConfirm |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: it's still in development. the results are encouraging though |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: ic. nice! |
| mohan8990 | ANY BODY KNOW ABT NEW SEARCH TECHNOLOGY? |
| progfool | with java coders which are the key area should a candidate concentrate on for good chances of working with you |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: i mean like cricket or football ? |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: Unfortunately working for a gambling company doesn't automatically provide you with a gift for gambling. I unfortunately tend to lose all of my money so Will probably give it a miss ;-) |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: i've heard that such techniques have been used in chess, especially |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: yep..Distributed stuff is fun n challenging..can I ask u a question?...I came across some artcile sometime back about a new idea of grid..donno if that works..the question is related to that.. |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: ohh :) |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: e.g. in the ICC chess server |
| Betfair_Asher | mohan8990: Search is kind of interesting - we've got some ppl very enthusiastic about the semantic web and ways you can reason about searches there |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: sure. fire away. |
| progfool | Betfair_Aaron: with java coders which are the key area should a candidate concentrate on for good chances of working with you |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: Here I go..Can u tell me the biggest possible grid that we could make? |
| Betfair_Asher | mohan8990: You can imagine there's lots of contextual information (like teams, venues etc) that needs to be loaded together that tends to defeat plain old text based search |
| feitian | Betfair_Ollie: Is there some Agencies of betfair in china? |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: are you asking how much hardware is available at Betfair to use for distributed computing? |
| Lab | **Lab and me |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: It's a nice feeling when you know everyone's playing fairly |
| abhicool | **abhicool loves Ludo the most :) |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: nope..not really..My question wasnt clear..its ok..I will answer it (from what I read..and its interesting to know): The biggest grid can be formed by the mobile/cell phone nw. |
| Betfair_Aaron | progfool: Hi Progfool, Knowledge of certain frameworks such as struts and spring would be useful as well as a good understanding of JBoss and Tomcat would probably be advantageous. Is that the kind of thing you were asking? |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: Definitely. That is an important value for Betfair. |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: Are there any language restriction for a candidate to work with betfair ? |
| Betfair_Asher | On the R&D side we're looking at maybe doing a collaboration with a supercomputing grid so getting access to a blue gene/L might be on the gards |
| Betfair_Asher | cards |
| progfool | Betfair_Aaron: yaa for sure i was asking that kind of thing..thanks |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: Like i am a C++ coder what all the aspects do i have to work upon ? |
| kclune | Please apply to Betfair career opportunities at: |
| kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco08&d3=sponsorpatrons&d4=betfairConfirm |
| kclune | this is really cool stuff. |
| kclune | I think anyway. |
| progfool | Betfair_Aaron: actually i am a beginner ...that is why i wanted a clear knowledge of what should i concentrate while learning java |
| abhicool | Betfair_Asher: you are looking for experienced folks or freshers ? |
| raghibkhan_786 | kclune: hi kevin .How are you.I hope you remember me.. |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: that sounds pretty powerful! bandwidth to phones is improving too which might historically have been a barrier for larger datasets. |
| kclune | raghibkhan_786: of course. |
| kclune | raghibkhan_786: How are you doing? |
| Betfair_Asher | abhicool: We're after a mixture of ppl but as much experienced as freshers - we take a limited number of grads each year |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: How are your studies going? |
| Jumpyshoes | oh hoh~ interesting tab completion |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: i'm doing my master thesis now |
| nishio | hi all i'm very sleepy.. |
| lydxlx | maold: ? |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: yep..donno, if that works..even if that works, donno if someone can implement that..But its a cool idea of using idle processing power of cellphones |
| progfool | nishio: hiiiii |
| kclune | nishio: aren't we all :-) |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: it's expected to be finished in September, but right now I'm kinda in a pinch with other stuff |
| abhicool | Betfair_Asher: do you support relocation overseas ? and would you consider overseas guys ? |
| progfool | nishio: remember me buddy? |
| feitian | Betfair_Asher: Is there some Agencies of betfair in china? |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: i think people might not be happy when their batteries run out faster :) |
| nishio | progfool: hi! yes, i remember you!!! |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: so I'm hoping it'll be finished around October |
| progfool | nishio: kool...soo how u doing?? |
| Betfair_Asher | abhicool: It really depends on the candidate and quality, but generally relocation is up to the individual |
| nishio | progfool: now?? |
| Betfair_Aaron | progfool: Ah I see. Well I would also say that for betfair a broad knowledge in lots of areas is also very advantageous. You will however need good core skills in your desired field (Java, .NET, Javascript etc) |
| progfool | nishio: i meant how r u |
| kclune | please apply to Betfiar career opportunities here: |
| kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco08&d3=sponsorpatrons&d4=betfairConfirm |
| Betfair_Asher | feitian: No, its currently illegal in mainland china - we only operate where we can do so legally |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: very good. what are your plans for the future? |
| nishio | progfool: ah! thenk you! it fine!! |
| jbnpaul | But does betfiar support visa processing and other such stuff |
| raghibkhan_786 | kclune: I'm good..In AOL ..wht say? shall i try BetFair;) |
| Jumpyshoes | does anyone know the rm command for windows command prompt? |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: haha..yes, thats right..but thats paid..like the European grid at Geneva - which pays if u run the grid on your comp :) |
| PaulDB | mar |
| progfool | Betfair_Aaron: thanks for the information |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: well, i'd like to do a PhD, and while also looking for some internship |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: The candidates will need to have good utilisation of english to work for us :-) |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: ah very cool. i had not heard of that. i was involved in distributed.net a few years ago, which is a similar thing. |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: I mean if u run the grid node |
| nishio | progfool: ah! thenk you! it fine!! |
| Betfair_Ollie | Jumpyshoes: del i think |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: yes, i have :) |
| Jumpyshoes | thank you |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: I havent had an oppurtunity to work on distributed stuff..all this is done outta personal interest |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: Haha sorry, you meant programming language didn't you ;-) |
| willima | is there any opportunities within South America? |
| Faye | alphastream: good luck ^_^ |
| ankulz | nehabhatt007:hey hii |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: that's great. people who are really interested in new technology and enjoy doing stuff in their spare time are a perfect fit for Betfair! |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: yes, you misunderstood me |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: though i'm keeping my eyes opened to interesting opportunities ;) |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: ;') |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: do you want to continue studying AI |
| alphastream | Faye: ???????, ? ????) |
| bupt_lee | g |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: Thanks Ollie..Now I shud get back to the other room, to bang my head..lol..Still striving to make progress here (coz I do have a regular job) :) |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: Can you please answer me ? |
| Betfair_Aaron | nehabhatt007: Sorry about that. As far as C++ goes Matt would probably be best placed to answer your query :-P |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: Thanks for the chat :) |
| Betfair_Ollie | Kewl_guy: great to talk to you too! take care. |
| jmpld40 | If you've missed any part of the chat, make sure to post questions here: http://forums.topcoder.com/?module=ThreadList&forumID=521830 |
| SkidanovAlex | http://i047.radikal.ru/0806/79/0fc54e90fbdb.jpg |
| kclune | It's getting to be about that time for people to start competing. |
| willima | Betfair_Aaron: any opportunities with South America? |
| Kewl_guy | Betfair_Ollie: you too..take care..tschub :) |
| nehabhatt007 | Betfair_Aaron: ohh okies :) i get it thanks for replying :P |
| dasko | Admins: unregister me from SRM 407 |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: well, that and some data structure stuff |
| uditchandna | all coming for SRM 407 |
| uditchandna | ? |
| kclune | Thank you to all of the Betfair folks for the great information. |
| progfool | what was that message??........i cannot take part in algorithm competition??..was it a bug? |
| mariusdrg | can someone tell me how to unregister from tchs? |
| kclune | again, if you want to apply please go here: |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: i'm also interested in researching about graph, and so on |
| kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco08&d3=sponsorpatrons&d4=betfairConfirm |
| ustbcoder | what is wrong?? |
| Betfair_Ollie | kclune: our pleasure. |
| progfool | y shud we unregister? |
| woldsom | Will you still be around to answer questions just after the SRM now? |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: i see. that should come in handy in a few minutes i guess ;) |
| AlMag | SkidanovAlex: )) |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: hahahaha |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: of course :D |
| nehabhatt007 | ankulz: not interested |
| kclune | This sounds like a great opportunity to have a major impact and a great learning experience. |
| kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco08&d3=sponsorpatrons&d4=betfairConfirm |
| progfool | kclune: that message to unregister from srm??..what was it?? |
| MaxBuzz | kclune: stop spamming please! |
| nishio | admins: I cant enter SRM room... |
| solmyr_bupt | you could not participate srm and tchs both |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: ah, btw, i couldn't get Victor to show anything |
| nishio | admins: why... |
| kclune | MaxBuzz: I can't help it. |
| mhaseeb | Please keep in mind that you may not participate in concurrent Algorithm competitions. This means that you cannot register for both TCHS 51 and SRM 407. If you have already done this, please let us know so we can unregister you. |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: i haven't updated my browser though |
| mhaseeb | can someone help, i dont know why |
| jmpld40 | Betfair folks, thanks for chatting |
| ilham | thanks a lot guys :) |
| nishio | admins: I dont know about TH?? |
| -a | progfool: if u hav registered in THS thn u should unregister tht |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: oh - did it report an error? |
| Betfair_Aaron | ilham: No worries :-) |
| progfool | i registered in srm |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: it should be working for the Russia v Spain game |
| Jumpyshoes | uditchandna: please stop using all caps |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: nope |
| progfool | all the best to all |
| uditchandna | ok |
| donMichael | please unregister me from SRM |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: i'll try it again, when i've updated my browser |
| Jumpyshoes | thank you |
| ilham | Betfair_Matt: thanks for your time :D |
| kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco08&d3=sponsorpatrons&d4=betfairConfirm |
| Betfair_Ollie | kclune: thank you all for your interest in betfair. good luck in the contest! |
| -a | progfool: cool thn no worries |
| trss | atb to all |
| mhaseeb | can anyone help, why should i unregister and how |
| progfool | thnkz all |
| ilham | goood luck everyone :D |
| Betfair_Matt | ilham: thank you too. good luck |
| -a | progfool: :) |
| RaghavT | all the best every one |
| kclune | Thanks Betfair. have a good day. |
| Betfair_Matt | Thanks Kevin. |
| Betfair_Aaron | kclune: Thanks kclune :-) Been a pleasure :-) |
